Seriously– The replacement officials were no worse than these guys– Yet, we were fed the Kool-Aid about how regular officials are so much better… They aren’t! At this point, the NFL referees are giving weathermen a challenge in the “Wrong But Still Keep Their Job” category. ———————————————————— But as I stated the NFL is “entertainment” which means Goodell can have refs call the game anyway they want. I think the league should confiscate all the ref’s caps and check them for proper skull pressure. The refs had an abysmal night last night, but it went both ways. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Plays were reviewed that were obviously called correctly. rollotomasi14 says: Not just the call, but the way it was handled. Time for the head guy to start taking some heat. Is there some rules that Pats haters are utterly and totally incapable of logic, understanding science and basic rational thought ? Another rule change is needed in my opinion. Taking an angle towards the sideline isn't giving yourself up. This was absolutely the right call – His forward progress had stopped IN BOUNDS, so the fact that he rolled out after is irrelevant. The NFL Network guys said, because he rolled out, backwards, the clock keeps running. Nov 24, 2015 9:36 AM, The million dollar bribe Kraft gave the NFL over deflategate was the best investment he could have made to ensure himself another SB win. Nov 24, 2015 9:30 AM in fact there are several rules that constitute being ‘down’ without contact from a defender. That same ref who called Watkins giving himself up, also called a pass incomplete a few plays earlier when it clearly wasn’t. Well hey look at it this way, if the referees didn’t “inadvertently” stop a Patriots scoring play right in the middle of it, the Bills getting robbed of a chance at a hail mary wouldn’t have made any difference anyway. It’s not what the refs are saying, but I thought this was a forward progress thing. If the guy hasn’t been touched let him get up go OB and stop the clock. Does the rule require that a runner have the intent to declare himself down? A ruse ? Datone Jones should have been flagged for spiking the ball against the Vikings but was not. Or is that ONLY for Qbs? Getting out of bounds to stop the clock is always “giving yourself up,” and the clock is always stopped, so the explanation makes little to no sense. It is on page 26 of the NFL 2015 Rules PDF file. Can someone explain how after 10 games the Pats have given up 169 points yet ESPN has them listed as #4 in points per game at 18.8??? Yet Blandino seems to never receive any criticism–even though it’s been under his watch that we’ve seen a marked increase in high profile gaffes. jchipwood says: The guy went out of bounds by himself, forward progress shouldn’t be an issue. Once that view is apparent to everyone else the NFL will be able to save significant amounts of money. Players had the right to come back to their programs as “super seniors” and use a fifth full year of eligibility. Disagree. how does this gang of rank amateurs end up on nationally televised games all the time? ————— He made an immediate effort to get out of bounds, and he was never touched by a defender. The refs simply need to be consistent, rather than pointing to the rule book to fit their call either way. Pats stay ahead of FA market with early signings, Why Winston made smart move returning to Saints, Enter your zip code to find NBCSN near you. Basically they used two wrongs to hopefully make a right. if you want to see it for yourself, it is Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 (d) (1). Who cares? A sham. Steratore should be investigated. Listen I hate the pats ad much as anyone but it’s surprising how many people don’t know the rule. Patriots first 3 points there was a Brady under thrown ball on 3rd where PI is called to expend the play. If that was a judgment call, that ref used bad judgment as he was obviously not giving himself up and trying to get out of bounds. First do you really think a measly million dollars means much to billionaires ? The league with their rule changes every single year. Through football, my father began to teach me what he thought I ought to value and why. I think the refs had a plane to catch or something and just wanted game to be over. 538 has done studies on this and found no penalty bias for any team, except a slight tendency in favor of home teams. Players regularly roll for yardage without making an attempt to get up. But they still should have got it. It seems the only barrier is spending a little more money. The undefeated Pats are a goldmine for media dollars. They claimed you have to step out, moving “forward’. If MLB and the NFL got together and had a kid it’d probably be a pretty decent replay system. So the clock keeps running. Pretty sure it would cost less than $5,000,000 to improve the integrity of the game. Doesn’t even know the officials. Apparently the official judged that he gave up forward progress (in an attempt to get out of bounds), and therefore the moment his but touched the ground he was considered down. But they didnt play it by rule, even tho the whistle blew while the ball was in the air (making any catch completely negated) they allowed the catch AND added a ridiculous 15 yds. jchipwood says: ———. Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 (d) (1): Watching the replay, after Watkins caught the ball, he turned upfield by taking a couple of small steps, saw the defender approaching him and then fell (inbounds). Our defender completely stopped even trying- yes he would have caught it- but no way on earth can u say it was a guarantee’d catch. Be sure they are well trained. This was probably less intentional and more that he was just trying to get the ball in place so his team could snap the ball quickly. yea, that makes sense. I n March 2013 a young man killed himself after suffering years of mental health difficulties following his release by a Premier League football club’s academy at the age of 16. The Linesman on the Pats sideline blew calls all night (marking McCoy out of bounds on the TD run, awful mark on the Woods catch, calling Watkins 4th down catch incomplete). Going backwards does. I think it’s fair to say the “team” of officials are struggling. NO ONE would “give themself up” in that situation. If he immediately takes the shortest angle to get out of bounds, it’s back towards the line of scrimmage. In this case, by “RULE” the officials have to make a judgment call about what happened before the whistle blew without making any usage of replay, AND it’s not a reviewable decision. It is a stunningly poor exercise of judgment on the official’s behalf. Jim … The clock always stops. Too much. #thissucks. Millions of dollars spent trying to frame and embarrass the Pats, stolen draft picks and Kraft is “running the league” ? Neither his own momentum nor an immediate threat of getting pushed out removed him from the field of play. That’s BS. In a June ESPN survey of 73 college football players, more than 80% said they were comfortable practicing and playing, even if campus was not … Billions spent on this league and they still can’t get it right. Nov 24, 2015 10:16 AM SIMPLE just fire there a$$, if you go to your job and you are always screwing up no doubt your boss will fire you it’s only a matter of time,so why are these ref’s not being fined or even fired,there is no excuse for their bad calls,or not having bladino or some head of officating to step in and make the correct call,it’s unacceptable. . you are correct about the lack of forward progress. At least the 3rd time this season. My father loved two players above the rest: Jim Brown … Yes only in Foxboro there are bad calls, in no other stadium throughout the NFL, only in Foxboro. Something fishy going on at Gillette Stadium…weird, NFL refs are the worst officials in any professional league.. what a disgrace to the game. So even when the Patriots get jobbed by a bad call the league is biased toward NE? Bottom line – get it right. The need to remove Pass interference call to a 15 yard penalty and it must be OBVIOUS err on the side that the defender is allowed to play DEFENSE.. Who would give themselves up in that situation? If the runner is gaining negative progress while going out of bounds the clock does not stop. Given Amendola was probably running for a TD if not for the inadvertent whistle I would say there were bad calls that affected both teams. Nov 24, 2015 10:18 AM, How about the stoppage of play for the Bills because the refs couldn’t even place the ball correctly and had to review to see if it was a first down or not. It’s not surprising the receiver didn’t know the rules, neither did Rex as evidenced by his postgame press conference. Mike P says it all the time. Goodell and Kraft are still buds, and Kraft still runs the league. More officiating weirdness. In American football -- especially at the college and professional levels -- the player executing the kickoff often kicks the ball into the opponent's end zone. ————————————————————– Secondly, if the league was bribed to make deflategate go away, why are they appealing it ? For those of you arguing that Chung never turned to play the ball… he doesn’t have to. I think the replay system needs a total overhaul as too many of these “judgement” calls late in games are being botched by officials (ask Detroit). 5. Take away ur 3 pt drive and give the bills 3, maybe 7 pts right there. It shows such a fundamental and glaring lack of judgment in a profession where judgment is absolutely essential. Its funny how on the Pats play it was a ‘def TD’ but bills have no chance with their final play- ignorance at its finest. In 2018, the NFL is considering a player to have given himself up if he dives head first, the same way a player has given himself up when he slides feet first. The unsportsmanlike conduct penalty was on the coach for running onto the field and yelling at the refs after it happened. ———- liquidchaoss says: Bills make the exact same throw in the inside the 1 and CB doesn’t turn his head around and makes contact with Bills WR and no call. The refs got it right, actually, in an incredible circumstance. The million dollar bribe Kraft gave the NFL over deflategate was the best investment he could have made to ensure himself another SB win. They need to stream-line the rule book and, in my opinion, call only the most blatantly obvious penalties and just let them play football. By “RULE” (gotta remember to use all caps) the officials “determined” that the catch was made before the whistle blew. Another few seasons of this and I will have to find another hobby. The former cost the Bills a chance at a 52 yard hail mary, the latter cost the Patriots a touchdown. If you dove head first you were trying to get more yardage and were still a live player who had to be contacted to be considered down. Nov 24, 2015 9:42 AM That doesn't seem like school and certainly satisfies more than just a couple of units for P.E. If you don’t like it when the “determination” of officials conflicts with your view of how things transpired, welcome to the world Pats fans have been living in for the past 10 months. Since the WR Watkins was not touched, his forward progress is where he goes out of bounds! A player carrying the ball (the runner) is downed when any of the following occurs: Any part of the runner other than his hands or feet touches the ground. Does the NFL now require refs to determine intent? I’m a Patriots fan, and I agree that was a terrible call. It’s not ideal, but it’s reality. The non-call PI on Chung near the pylon, he never turned to play the ball and was just like Malcolm Butlers PI on Watkins later in the game. The defender clearly gave up upon hearing the whistle. Ohio State allows him to maximize himself in both aspects. Officials are held accountable. Gave the Bills time to come up with a play instead of using a hurry offense. it’s about not attempting forward progress and going to the ground. Uh, confirmation bias much? It’s very normal for a receiver or running back to move backwards. acebandito says: Unreal. Thus the long discussion between the Refs to figure out the safest way to call it while protecting themselves and covering up what actually took place. Phantom? If it was the “judgement” of that line judge that a player desperately trying to stop the clock would “give themselves up on the field of play”, then I would say said official was displaying an appalling lack of understanding of how the game of football is played to the extent that he is certainly not qualified to work in the NFL. Watkins was OBVIOUSLY hauling tail to get out of bounds, STOP the clock and thereby preserve Buffalo’s ONE shot at having a chance in the game. When is Dean Blandino going to get some heat for the continued degradation of NFL officiating? That saved the Bills at least 10 seconds, maybe more. You can run backwards out of bounds to stop the clock as long as you aren’t touched to stop forward progress. The fundamental flaw of replay is that it requires a human being to raise his hand and admit he was wrong. Let’s stop conspiracy theories and hope someone figures out a way to get the calls consistently correct so we can focus on the players and the game. If the runner is gaining negative progress while going out of bounds the clock does not stop. No objective viewer agrees with this call. the player is down once he falls to the ground without trying to advance the ball. Neither his own momentum nor an immediate threat of getting pushed out removed him from the field of play. _____________. The NFL, bending reality every time they mess up. There is no face guarding in the NFL. He retreated on his own volition and thus, forward progress is irrelevant. What? The refs seemed to have messed up on the last play last night but if Sammy had just ran out of bounds the clock most definitely would have stopped. that was bad. Hawley was inspired by the minimalist lifestyle and decided that he wanted to try it out. Were they trying to get the game to last until dawn? ———, they have given up 182, which equates to 18.2 per game. Brady did complete to Amendola so that likely would have happened, but also likely is that without the whistle Amedola gets tackled right away. 6 level 2 I cannot positively say, however, whether these situations always involved contact with a defender or not. It’s another tuck rule. All the guys here spouting off about conspiracy theories, bribes, Patriots cheating, etc. The undefeated Pats are a goldmine for media dollars. Just all around odd, and an unpleasant viewing experience. Doesn’t matter that he went out of bounds after his butt hit the ground. Right now they’re both to the extreme. Just another terrible call in a season full of them. And more to the point, is it reasonable to believe that if the Bills protested immediately there may have been a conference among the officials which may have potentially changed the call? This Steratore ref is dirty, I cringe every time he officiates the Broncos games. The NFL issued a memorandum in a previous season where Coleman’s crew was cited for multiple mistakes (Nine to be exact) in a previous Vikings/Packers game (2002 at Lambeau Field)… I challenge PFT to go back and view that game– compare it to this past week’s game and you WILL find similarities. I just want him to have a good game, but not so worried if it is tough and physical. Until the NFL embraces such fundamental changes to the way a game is officiated, the divide between the folks at home who know what happened and the people in black-and-white stripes who don’t will only get wider and wider. The bills missed a FG But if they ruled it like it should in the rule book then it should of been an incomplete pass due to whistle being blown when ball was in the air. willycents says: Watch the replay. Can we just fire ALL NFL officials and start over with new crews next year. As it is the team that should have won did so this blatant officials mistake will go largely ignored! Watkins went a half yard backwards out of bounds therefore the clock does not stop. He didn't realize they'd also shot him in the calf of his other leg. Phantom? Doubt he would’ve scored or even caught the ball. Nov 24, 2015 1:17 PM. Bengals/Cards game Fitz caught the ball and ran sideways and jumped out of bounds. It is on page 26 of the NFL 2015 Rules PDF file. Why is the NFL OK with that? I think I’ve seen that somewhere before. The inadvertent whistle play, despite wrong calls in both directions, probably did end up where it would have been had the whistle not blown. it’s not about forward progress being stopped. Watched Bears/Broncos on Sunday and Chicago didn’t have one single flag thrown on them. bostonstrippers says: Bills did not have any timeouts left. Dumb refs making excuses. Bad job by the refs (who had a tough game all around), but also a bad job by Rex. Ofcourse he gave himself up, he wasnt trying to get yards, he was trying to get out of bounds! I thought if you slid feet first, you were giving yourself up. Watch game, team & player highlights, Fantasy football videos, NFL event coverage & more It came on what turned out to be the last play of regulation, with the Bills down by seven and trying to get in position for a last-ditch, Hail Mary heave to the end zone. It’s a shame. The play should be live until the ball-carrier is touched by an opponent, making him truly “down by CONTACT.” The “giving himself up” rule is subject to the judgment and opinion of the game official who can obviously affect and influence the game by such a decision. Without the time to stand up and step over the white line, he did the best he could to get out of the field of play. Not one. If this wasn’t the case, the only direction a player could move is forward, otherwise the play is dead. OK Why would he have done this? Make no mistake – it was great awareness on the part of the receiver. Can someone explain how after 10 games the Pats have given up 169 points yet ESPN has them listed as #4 in points per game at 18.8??? “whoever “mistakenly” blew that whistle should be suspended also…”. In other words, it has to be a person that is not buddy buddy with any officials. The sideline official was being interfered with by Rex walking directly in front of him. Bills were going to lose, regardless. NFL is has become a huge commercial with penalties and side shows. I swear, every game I watch has worse officiating than the last. 1) Going backwards of the receiver’s own decision does not constitute the stopping of forward progress. 2) He didn’t give himself up as he was immediately moving towards the out of bounds line. If he kneels, it is a touchback, and his team gets the ball at their 20 yard line. That was supposed to be the NFL’s best officiating crew. Currently they are really bad. The refs were abhorrent last night but the pats got jobbed several times over the course of the game. Seems to happen during crucial parts of the game and always when the opponents are on offense. Refs have their favorites, that’s for sure. So does that mean the clock should continue to role because he didnt move forward? I had no dogs in the fight last night (all the way over here on the West Coast), but my 40+ years of watching football says the clock should have stopped. Then fact that he scoots out of bounds is not as important. We can all agree the refs are terrible but at least have some objectivity with your hate in the mornings, OFFICIALS CONTROL THE OUTCOMES OF GAMES… A PENALTY COULD BE CALLED ON EVERY PLAY.. Was also great to see the qb headset go out there at the crucial final drive. Steratore’s definition on the out of bounds play would mean the clock never stopping during any 2-minute drill because guys are obviously “giving themselves up” to get out of bounds to stop the clock. Of course there will be times when a team trying to keep the clock moving will end up inadvertently stopping it. Clearly can be seen on replay, which is why the NFL is not showing us that replay – up close. Just one of the many problems the NFL office doesn’t know how to fix. The Patriots will block better against edge rushers most likely. === That if as you state Kraft bribed the NFL that they would make the issue go away, not perpetuate it in court. He wasn’t alone. Forward progress stopped in the field of play, Sammy, on his own, goes backwards out of bounds. Officials at both the college and pro level seem not to want to stop the clock much anymore; they often windmill their arms to keep the clock going when players clearly get out of bounds. It’s really pretty simple. Too many friends in the media? Let’s be honest, the Pats should have been awarded a TD for Rex interfering with the ref during a live play, since you’re all up in this “honesty” thing. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. I swear I’ve seen a few times where the player is going out of bounds backwards and the clock keeps moving. He wasn’t moving backwards. rollotomasi14 says: I’ve seen players give themselves up before, and they just sit there. They could also forego their extra year and try their hand at professional football – or give up the sport altogether. Not a bills fan but this stuff is infuriating. Nov 24, 2015 10:31 AM. willycents says: vietnambob2473 says: When they do, forward progress mark is changed to where they started to go forward, or are contacted and make no further progress, or go out of bounds. Bills have been jobbed by refs in Foxboro a lot. Watching the replay, after Watkins caught the ball, he turned upfield by taking a couple of small steps, saw the defender approaching him and then fell backward in an attempt to get out of bounds; his butt hit the ground before he went out. You can troll, argue, say this team or that is whiny, but really. In the NFL, the play is ruled dead when a ball-carrier gives himself up, which White undoubtedly did when he went to the ground and made no effort to advance the ball. rollotomasi14 says: truetrue85 says: The “judgment” that was made would presumably be that the runner was making no effort to advance. Take the refs out of it because they always seem to screw it up or rule it wrong. Good no call. Watkins went a half yard backwards out of bounds therefore the clock does not stop. Pretty sure that the players forward progress stopped and he moved toward the Patriots side of the field. Last call was a judgement call, but players slide out of bounds all the time in making a catch and then go out and get the stoppage. Light a fire under Blandino’s chair. This way he won’t feel “guilty” for overturning a buddy’s bad call. You do realize that the league is the one who is keeping this in the courts, correct? The explanation is in official-speak but the fact is he falls backwards and then gets out of bounds. While it’s technically possible, it’s actually ridiculous. The record doesn’t matter nearly as much as the Pats looking like a .500 team. since Watkins fell backward to the ground BEFORE he got out of bounds, the ball was dead and the clock continued to run. Make everything reviewable. Go back and look at the replay – it was an obvious play that draws a flag 100% of the time. see Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 (d) (1). Really ? We wound the clock. It makes a lot more sense now - the fumble part helped so much - thanks a ton! The play is over whether he slides feet or head first.. (he is giving himself up) any player can give themself up.. no penalties if a defender is in the process We should stop watching this garbage. Wow they’re just making it up as they go. After all of this whining I take the Bills LOST. Phantom PIs and holdings, fake whistles, allowing gronk to get trucked every time down the field, brady taking cheap shots, bills cb and ol holding constantly. This game was suspiciously badly officiated. This is really helpful, thank you so much! There is only one thing i really enjoyed about last nights game win or lose, is that mary brady got put on hi a$$ most of the night and would get up and complain to the ref’s oh they are hitting me,what a wuss he is. The integrity of the game seems to be a top priority with regards to all aspects of the NFL…. Watkins did both, he fell to the ground going backwards. when those two occur at the same time, the ball is dead and the down is complete. But he worried that if he pulled the brace apart, his leg might actually fall off. The clock winding was weird, but even more egregious was the inadvertent whistle. In what way was Watkins “giving himself up” on that play? If anything Rex should be fined. COLDWATER you are right i could not beileve there was no PI call there he never was looking back at the ball and just ran right into him,you are also right as good as the pats are they do not need help by the ref’s but still always seem to get it,disgusting!!!!!!!! . If you want to learn more about the NFL, this is the place. Alternatively, does the rule treat “falling to the ground . Something seriously needs to be done about the horrible officiating this year. But then an official did the arm-crank thing, keeping the clock running and ending the game. and clearly making no effort to advance” as synonymous with declaring oneself down regardless of intent? didn’t need any contact by a defender. Your siding with the official only has to do with your loyalty. Rambo grabbed a big handful of jersey and yanked it, slowing up Gronkowski and causing the pick. Gronk makes that same catch and they’d put 8 seconds back on the gameclock.. Doesn’t matter. With this extra eligibility, they could graduate and transfer to a new destination for a second chance. ——————– Pretty sad really. This has the ref screwed up written all over it. How many more mistakes need to occur before actual changes get made?.. vietnambob2473 says: Nov 24, 2015 10:59 AM Does he not want to win? Full-time refs+less complicated rules=fairer games. Watching, listening and learning has helped turn him into an elite high school football player as only a sophomore. The refs decided that he “gave himself up”, making the play dead, but that’s controversial. From the NFL’s perspective, they got it perfectly. — It was a complete one-sided delivery of the rule book. In a game where you could probably throw a flag on every single play, to have zero penalties called on one team while the other team is over 100 yards in penalties can’t help but make you suspicious. NFL needs to rewrite their rule ok so that fans can understand what simple things like a “catch” are. Yes only in Foxboro there are bad calls, in no other stadium throughout the NFL, only in Foxboro. These officials “interpret” the field of play very differently from anyone watching the game. But as I stated the NFL is “entertainment” which means Goodell can have refs call the game anyway they want.
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